
In the second part of our Offseason Trade Chronicles (check Part I while you’re at it), me and my bro Fish took the time to analyse the moves made by the Phoenix Suns in the off-season.
Once Amare Stoudemire announced his intention to sign with the Knicks, Phoenix worked out a token sign and trade deal where they got a future pick and, more importantly, a hefty trade exemption.
The Suns then used said exemption to get Josh Childress from Atlanta (via Olympiakos) for another token S&T (a future 2nd round pick) and then sent Leandro Barbosa to Toronto for Hedo Turkoglu.
I’ll take a look at the Childress deal first cause it’s easier. I’ve been a fan of his ever since his Stanford days – while I do think he got overvalued in the 2004 draft (in hindsight, the Hawks probably should have made the same picks the other way around – J-Smoove at 6 and Childress at 17) I still rate his defensive abilities very highly, and he can contribute offensively as long as you don’t rely on him. I wanted the Warriors to use our full MLE to get him (which the Suns ended up paying) and thought we had a legit shot since he’s from the Bay Area.
That all said, how does he fit into Phoenix? Answer – like a glove. Ever since Raja Bell left Phoenix, the Suns haven’t had a genuine perimeter stopper for the likes of Kobe, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson etc. (I firmly believe that had B-Roy been 100% fit last year, Portland would have beaten the Suns in the playoffs). Grant Hill did a decent job on Kobe in the WCF last year, but the dude’s 38. He can only do so much.
Childress is that perimeter stopper. He can still play lockdown D on almost any guard in this league. Given how tough the Euro leagues can get, I’m sure playing a few years away from the NBA won’t have killed his game. I suspect that he may become the starting SF in the Valley of the Sun, with Hill moving to the bench.
While there is a school of thought that Phoenix probably overpaid a bit (considering Atlanta’s glut of wing players, they probably wouldn’t have matched any offers) I’d have to say that this is a pretty sweet deal for all involved.
The Hedo trade is a bit more complex. On the surface of things it makes reasonable sense – Barbosa’s minutes were heading south in Phoenix, and given Toronto seriously need some attacking punch (along with defense, rebounding and divine intervention) getting a piece like him back for Hedo (who fast became Public Enemy No.1 in Toronto) has to be seen as a fair deal for the Raptors. Meanwhile, the Suns get a guy who can play four positions, spread the floor and gives them another attacking threat. Sounds all good right?
Then you look a little closer and the deal makes less sense.
Hedo’s best skill as a basketball player is his ability to create shots both for himself and others. However this comes with a caveat – he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He was most useful in Orlando playing the point forward role. When Toronto tried to use him as a spot-up shooter, he failed.
In Phoenix, however, it just so happens that the PG is a bloke by the name of Steve Nash. One of the most unselfish players in the game, yes, but a guy who needs the ball to make everyone around him better.
Maths equation time – you have two guys who need the ball all the time to be effective, there’s only one ball, what happens? You see what I mean here.
Plus, when he can’t play to his strengths Hedo’s weaknesses come to the fore. As a starting power forward he’s practically useless, since he can’t rebound or play anything resembling defense – particularly problematic in Phoenix when your only big man with any inclination to do either is Robin Lopez. As we learnt in Toronto, he’s prone to having a sook if things don’t go his way.
To be honest with you, I think the Suns made a big mistake with the Hedo trade. The only way I can see him being effective is if they play him in a sixth man role while Nash rests – however that cuts into Goran Dragic’s role and minutes as well and the Suns clearly see him as a future star.
I personally think Phoenix misjudged the off-season. Once Amare left, they had two options. Either:
a) Pursue an Al Jefferson/David Lee type player with the Amare exemption – a guy who can come in and fill the role Amare did, while being better in some regards (rebounding for DLee, offensive post play for Al Jeff).
b) If they failed with a, trade Steve Nash to a contender (cause after all he’s done for Phoenix it’s the least they can do – you don’t think Orlando would bite on a Nash+JRich’s expiring for Jameer+VC’s expiring trade?) and start a full-bore rebuild around Dragic and Lopez.
As we know, the Suns failed with A (personally, I’m stunned they didn’t even seem to make a play for Jefferson or Lee) but they didn’t have the balls to go through a rebuild right now. Hence, a half-arsed move like the Hedo trade. This deal doesn’t save Phoenix now – it certainly doesn’t make them title contenders in the stacked West after losing Amare – and it’ll cripple them in a couple of years when Nash retires/goes to play out his career in Miami or another contender and they’re unable to move Hedo’s deal.
In the NBA, unless you’re the Lakers (and even they’re gonna face it once Kobe, Fisher and Pau retire) rebuilding is an inevitability. Either you willingly put your team through it, or it’s forced upon you. The funny part is that generally a forced rebuild tends to be much more painful than a planned stage of rebuilding. The Suns are gonna learn as much soon enough.
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These posts are great. Very insightful and interesting. I actually like Disco Turkey as player. At least in Orlando anyway. However I think Steve Nash is that good he’ll make it work for Hedo. If those two can get a one-two punch type thing going, who knows. Disco just played a good game at the World Champs, so he hasn’t left it in Toronto.
Word on the streets says Hedo handles the ball more than you’d think with the Suns giving Nash more of a spot up shooting role.
That plan = Miss Playoffs.
Congrats Phoenix.
One less bitch Kobe has to worry about.
i like the Childress deal. i think he will actually improve the Suns, who were placing an unfair amount of reliance on Grant Hill.
the Hedo trade puzzles me though. i worry about where the guy’s head is at. he left the perfect situation in Orlando, bombed at Toronto, and the only way he contributes fully for the Suns is by reducing the role of Steve Nash. which as Coach said = fail.
@Rick – Thanks bro. We’ll have to see about how Hedo/Nash works though.
@Coach – Surely not. I refuse to believe that anyone is dumb enough to reduce the role of the best shot-creator in the game to make way for an overpaid role player like Hedo.
@pete33 – Agreed on all points.
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/gentry_qa_100714.html
Gentry may be a retard then.
I’m certainly not supporting his theory one bit.
@ Coach
M.V.Steve does happen to be the greatest shooter of all time.
Nash puts in consistent 50-40-90 shooting seasons, it wouldn’t be bad to have him with some off-the-ball shooting time. It’d certainly stop the suns’ offense from becoming predictable, and therefore stoppable.
Gentry has proven time and again that he will make tough decisions to make the Suns a better, close knit unit, such as leaving the bench out in the 4th quarter against the Spurs in the playoffs with the game on the line. It was a ballzy move which proved to be a game winner. i have a lot of respect for Alvin and what he has done for the Suns, and i think to call him a retard for making a decision which is as-yet unproven shows your ignorance when it comes to Phoenix.
Stick to Lakers fan posts, it looks like that’s what you’re best at.
I feel what you’re saying when it comes to the Suns Chucko.. They are the team that we all love to see do well… but only when our 1st loved team has fallen.
The Phoenix Suns are just like the special Olympics 100m hurdle world-record holder. Respect is due but you’re never going to trouble the trophy inscribers.
If Gentry employs a “Nash is our John Paxson” approach when the Suns are an MJ, Pippen and Horace Grant short, then you’ll get the same thing we know you’re gonna get this season…
- Quick offense
- Great shooting
- 3rd or 4th banana in the West at best
- 3 x 3’s from Frye per game
And a 45 win season… maximum.
It’s time the Suns stepped out of the nurse’s outfit and equipped themselves with a few more Mark West and Charles Oakley-types… Mix the Western Conference up a little with some physical play, not some flashy life-support, fast break BS.
ps. I love your work, just let’s agree to disagree.
I can see what you are saying, but those opinions are based on the suns of old.
Times have changed, The Suns showed that when they swept their “100m hurdle” in the Spurs.
Once again they have shed a piece who is sometimes brilliant, and other times shows nothing but apathy. and have added pieces who will work well with the Suns.
I agree that we will disagree about this until the results are proven, but i think that to write them off is folly.
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