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		<title>By: Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marriard:

I am definitely intrigued by your idea. My devil&#039;s advocate counters would be this;

- Are there really enough guys in Europe/US (the US particularly) that warrant national selection?

- In soccer, you can implement the same structures/tactics with different sets of guys with reasonable success. In basketball, this could be difficult. 

E.g. I&#039;d expect the Boomers A-team to feed the BogeyMan at every opportunity. But if I&#039;m a guard on the NBL-based national team, and my pivot men are mostly soft jumpshooters, what&#039;s my play?

If I don&#039;t feed them and play an NBL style of ball, we essentially end up with the different national squads playing different styles, so that achieves little.

If I do feed them (assuming they ever venture into the low post), we&#039;re bound to lose games, which will hurt team confidence.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marriard:</p>
<p>I am definitely intrigued by your idea. My devil&#8217;s advocate counters would be this;</p>
<p>- Are there really enough guys in Europe/US (the US particularly) that warrant national selection?</p>
<p>- In soccer, you can implement the same structures/tactics with different sets of guys with reasonable success. In basketball, this could be difficult. </p>
<p>E.g. I&#8217;d expect the Boomers A-team to feed the BogeyMan at every opportunity. But if I&#8217;m a guard on the NBL-based national team, and my pivot men are mostly soft jumpshooters, what&#8217;s my play?</p>
<p>If I don&#8217;t feed them and play an NBL style of ball, we essentially end up with the different national squads playing different styles, so that achieves little.</p>
<p>If I do feed them (assuming they ever venture into the low post), we&#8217;re bound to lose games, which will hurt team confidence.</p>
<p>Is there a middle ground to be found?</p>
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		<title>By: marriard</title>
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		<dc:creator>marriard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll also notice that the Socceroos &#039;A&#039; Team comprises ALL overseas based players starting the game with maybe one or two A-League bench guys... But then in the lesser tourneys there is a lot of development and A-League people gaining experience in a Socceroos shirt. That is the way to develop experience and a team.

Right now with a totally healthy team there is maybe only ONE current NBL player who can expect to make the Boomers world cup team next year and that is (love him or hate him) Mark Worthington. There might be one or two other players with outside chances based on availability and injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll also notice that the Socceroos &#8216;A&#8217; Team comprises ALL overseas based players starting the game with maybe one or two A-League bench guys&#8230; But then in the lesser tourneys there is a lot of development and A-League people gaining experience in a Socceroos shirt. That is the way to develop experience and a team.</p>
<p>Right now with a totally healthy team there is maybe only ONE current NBL player who can expect to make the Boomers world cup team next year and that is (love him or hate him) Mark Worthington. There might be one or two other players with outside chances based on availability and injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Biggish C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biggish C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and 1 more thing. The A-League only really took off in a big way here with the world cup qualification success. So, it stands to reason that with a successful basketball team on the international level we mightn&#039;t have to change the way the national league is played and the crowds might come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and 1 more thing. The A-League only really took off in a big way here with the world cup qualification success. So, it stands to reason that with a successful basketball team on the international level we mightn&#8217;t have to change the way the national league is played and the crowds might come back.</p>
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		<title>By: Biggish C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biggish C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree completly with Ben. How can we have people bemoan the lack of international success on one hand and then look to turn our national league into an and 1 tournament on the other?

What about a Orlando type system, which when it works is pretty freakin sweet, where by we have one big in the block a pretty sweet PG and three David Anderson shooters/recbounders around them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree completly with Ben. How can we have people bemoan the lack of international success on one hand and then look to turn our national league into an and 1 tournament on the other?</p>
<p>What about a Orlando type system, which when it works is pretty freakin sweet, where by we have one big in the block a pretty sweet PG and three David Anderson shooters/recbounders around them?</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t feel like there&#039;s anything wrong with Australian basketball aside from its current level of popularity and exposure. it&#039;s being played at a high level by professionals in the NBL. 

The NBL is still a teamwork-oriented league, and Australian basketball is taught as a team concept, much the same way as it is in Europe. The FIBA court dimensions mean the lane is more clogged up and there is less driving the lane and more passing around for the open shot, which is often a 3. One thing Aussie players are taught to do well is shoot the ball - just about every NBL player can shoot it - which is not actually the case even in the NBA, especially among the more athletic players. I see nothing wrong with playing to your natural strengths. The whole 1 on 1 streetball thing is no where near as socially ingrained in basketball here either, so often there&#039;s less flashy ball-handling too, but again NBA court dimensions make 1 on 1 play a bit more possible - Chris Paul has said he actually finds the NBA easier than college for this reason - and there&#039;s more space for pick and roll plays and backdoor cuts for alleyoops etc, plus they&#039;ve got more athleticism for that stuff. 

But really, America is all about individual success, star-power, domination, it&#039;s built into their culture and likewise into US basketball culture, so you see more individual efforts. But we&#039;ve seen over the last 10 years the return to team ball in the US because of the success of teams like the Spurs, who many consider to be boring, and perhaps this even concerns NBA management. It&#039;s also easy to forget that even the NBA is struggling in some regards - some of the teams are still very low profile, don&#039;t have solid TV rights and barely - if ever - appear on national TV unless they&#039;re playing a top tier team, a problem we&#039;re very familiar with.

But having gone to many NBL games i would say that the crowds ultimately just love teams hitting their shots - 3s included - and they appreciate hustle and energy. They want to see clean plays and strong teamwork. Ultimately they want to see wins and feel team spirit. There&#039;s lots of talented young players in this league who may get a chance to represent Australia in the future. Perhaps there&#039;s no real commonality between the best Australian players at the moment, but you&#039;ve still got to choose your best players, and the trick is devising a system that plays to some of the core strengths of the group - which I though Brian Gorjian did a pretty good job of - and perhaps developing the roles of the core returning players over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t feel like there&#8217;s anything wrong with Australian basketball aside from its current level of popularity and exposure. it&#8217;s being played at a high level by professionals in the NBL. </p>
<p>The NBL is still a teamwork-oriented league, and Australian basketball is taught as a team concept, much the same way as it is in Europe. The FIBA court dimensions mean the lane is more clogged up and there is less driving the lane and more passing around for the open shot, which is often a 3. One thing Aussie players are taught to do well is shoot the ball &#8211; just about every NBL player can shoot it &#8211; which is not actually the case even in the NBA, especially among the more athletic players. I see nothing wrong with playing to your natural strengths. The whole 1 on 1 streetball thing is no where near as socially ingrained in basketball here either, so often there&#8217;s less flashy ball-handling too, but again NBA court dimensions make 1 on 1 play a bit more possible &#8211; Chris Paul has said he actually finds the NBA easier than college for this reason &#8211; and there&#8217;s more space for pick and roll plays and backdoor cuts for alleyoops etc, plus they&#8217;ve got more athleticism for that stuff. </p>
<p>But really, America is all about individual success, star-power, domination, it&#8217;s built into their culture and likewise into US basketball culture, so you see more individual efforts. But we&#8217;ve seen over the last 10 years the return to team ball in the US because of the success of teams like the Spurs, who many consider to be boring, and perhaps this even concerns NBA management. It&#8217;s also easy to forget that even the NBA is struggling in some regards &#8211; some of the teams are still very low profile, don&#8217;t have solid TV rights and barely &#8211; if ever &#8211; appear on national TV unless they&#8217;re playing a top tier team, a problem we&#8217;re very familiar with.</p>
<p>But having gone to many NBL games i would say that the crowds ultimately just love teams hitting their shots &#8211; 3s included &#8211; and they appreciate hustle and energy. They want to see clean plays and strong teamwork. Ultimately they want to see wins and feel team spirit. There&#8217;s lots of talented young players in this league who may get a chance to represent Australia in the future. Perhaps there&#8217;s no real commonality between the best Australian players at the moment, but you&#8217;ve still got to choose your best players, and the trick is devising a system that plays to some of the core strengths of the group &#8211; which I though Brian Gorjian did a pretty good job of &#8211; and perhaps developing the roles of the core returning players over time.</p>
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		<title>By: marriard</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunks and alley oops don&#039;t draw a crowd. Well maybe once - but it isn&#039;t sustainable. If it did, we could just have a dunk contest every week and people would show up. It is garbage basketball and gets boring quickly. Watch a Euroleague game - massively entertaining - very little in terms of athletic open court dunks. The NBL has much bigger issues than lacking a few guys who can jump high.

I have to disagree - Australia DOES produce the athletes with height/athleticism and skills to put on a good basketball game. But the majority of our best players play in Europe or in the USA. 

Yes - Boomers don&#039;t play enough together and can&#039;t in the current system. The players are too spread out to justify the travel to play New Zealand again. Which is why a soccer type program can work - lots of opportunities with players in interchagable squads across three areas. 
Opportunities to put a team on the floor before say the Euro championships to help other countries in warm up prep games before the Euro Championship or similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunks and alley oops don&#8217;t draw a crowd. Well maybe once &#8211; but it isn&#8217;t sustainable. If it did, we could just have a dunk contest every week and people would show up. It is garbage basketball and gets boring quickly. Watch a Euroleague game &#8211; massively entertaining &#8211; very little in terms of athletic open court dunks. The NBL has much bigger issues than lacking a few guys who can jump high.</p>
<p>I have to disagree &#8211; Australia DOES produce the athletes with height/athleticism and skills to put on a good basketball game. But the majority of our best players play in Europe or in the USA. </p>
<p>Yes &#8211; Boomers don&#8217;t play enough together and can&#8217;t in the current system. The players are too spread out to justify the travel to play New Zealand again. Which is why a soccer type program can work &#8211; lots of opportunities with players in interchagable squads across three areas.<br />
Opportunities to put a team on the floor before say the Euro championships to help other countries in warm up prep games before the Euro Championship or similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Ham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think its really complicated. we dont produce enough players with the height/athleticism combination to make local basketball remotely interesting.

how often do the boomers actually play outside of the like the olympics / world champs? we occasionally play new zealand but thats all i can think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think its really complicated. we dont produce enough players with the height/athleticism combination to make local basketball remotely interesting.</p>
<p>how often do the boomers actually play outside of the like the olympics / world champs? we occasionally play new zealand but thats all i can think of.</p>
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		<title>By: chucko</title>
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		<dc:creator>chucko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: reinvention
It&#039;s not about the quality of the basketball imports, it&#039;s all about the entertainment factor. Like Ray said, guys shooting 3&#039;s and really good basketball fundementals do not draw a crowd. 
Dunks draw a crowd. Alley oops draw a crowd.
That&#039;s why the NBA went the route of making rules to clear out the lane and the key so guys could get to the basket with minimal defense. 
Defensive 3 seconds, the semi circle no-charge thing (yes that&#039;s the technical name for it), both designed with one intention, to increase the amount of slamajamabingbong that goes on in a game. 
The result? more crowds, more money. 
Take note NBL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: reinvention<br />
It&#8217;s not about the quality of the basketball imports, it&#8217;s all about the entertainment factor. Like Ray said, guys shooting 3&#8217;s and really good basketball fundementals do not draw a crowd.<br />
Dunks draw a crowd. Alley oops draw a crowd.<br />
That&#8217;s why the NBA went the route of making rules to clear out the lane and the key so guys could get to the basket with minimal defense.<br />
Defensive 3 seconds, the semi circle no-charge thing (yes that&#8217;s the technical name for it), both designed with one intention, to increase the amount of slamajamabingbong that goes on in a game.<br />
The result? more crowds, more money.<br />
Take note NBL.</p>
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		<title>By: marriard</title>
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		<dc:creator>marriard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with pretty much everything Ray posted except for the whole reinvention thing - though they don&#039;t need to take any time off for that - they just need to get it together and actually do it.

And it is hilarious that anyone associating themselves with Ray Borner wants &#039;alley oop&#039; basketball. Ray couldn&#039;t jump over the lines on the court. 

Also a few alley oops are not the issue with the NBL or Aussie Basketball. I do agree the quality of imports has dropped off (since we don&#039;t pay for the quality we need) to a point where there should be real debate on whether they are needed at all at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with pretty much everything Ray posted except for the whole reinvention thing &#8211; though they don&#8217;t need to take any time off for that &#8211; they just need to get it together and actually do it.</p>
<p>And it is hilarious that anyone associating themselves with Ray Borner wants &#8216;alley oop&#8217; basketball. Ray couldn&#8217;t jump over the lines on the court. </p>
<p>Also a few alley oops are not the issue with the NBL or Aussie Basketball. I do agree the quality of imports has dropped off (since we don&#8217;t pay for the quality we need) to a point where there should be real debate on whether they are needed at all at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: ike</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>any post that simultaneously bags Sydney and the French gets my support :)

but in all seriousness, i agree that Australian Basketball has an identity crisis at the moment. Stemming from locally, and extended to the Boomers of course.

I also think that there&#039;s a bit of a gulf between our &quot;glitzy&quot; NBA stars like Bogut, and the best of our local home-grown talent. It seems like the two sides don&#039;t fully embrace each other. I seem to recall some bitter words between Bogut and Anstey a few years back.

Oh and Ray, if Slamball really is bigger in Australian than the NBL, then that is THE MOST depressing thing I have ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any post that simultaneously bags Sydney and the French gets my support <img src='http://www.nbamate.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>but in all seriousness, i agree that Australian Basketball has an identity crisis at the moment. Stemming from locally, and extended to the Boomers of course.</p>
<p>I also think that there&#8217;s a bit of a gulf between our &#8220;glitzy&#8221; NBA stars like Bogut, and the best of our local home-grown talent. It seems like the two sides don&#8217;t fully embrace each other. I seem to recall some bitter words between Bogut and Anstey a few years back.</p>
<p>Oh and Ray, if Slamball really is bigger in Australian than the NBL, then that is THE MOST depressing thing I have ever heard.</p>
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